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Based on a conversation the other day, humor me.

[Poll #1236826]

Date: 2008-08-07 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com
There's no 'get away with' in any of those constructions in my brain.

"I can often not-X" means that I can often do a thing with is the opposite of X.

Date: 2008-08-07 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fionnabhar.livejournal.com
Except in the first one, I think, which could, given the context. "Because my baby-sitter is my daughter, I can often not pay her." That means I can get away with not doing it, not that I often do pay her.
Edited Date: 2008-08-07 07:11 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-08-07 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com
Ok. For some reason I am not processing the 'get away with it' connotation of 'can'. Carry on.

Date: 2008-08-07 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fionnabhar.livejournal.com
It's not with the "can," though. The construct is that "not-pay" becomes the opposite of "pay." What can you do? You can not-pay.

Date: 2008-08-08 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] margaretq.livejournal.com
I am stuck there too. I often cannot open this web site... I often can not get this stupid thing to work. I can not often deal with the dingbats that call my work (that is a BAD sentence). I cannot often make time to do X with my stupid schedule....
that's how I read this...

Date: 2008-08-07 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fionnabhar.livejournal.com
Or might the construct be "I can often (as) not X", with the "as" elided in speech? Huh.

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